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Edgar Allan Poe:  Steampunk Father?:  http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=58104#more

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Interesting you should mention phrenology - I've read so many works from era that refer to a "noble brow." It was becoming a very trite expression. And it seems to me I've also come across many complimentary comments about Poe's forehead!


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Here's a link to an essay by science fiction critic Gary Westfahl on "The Addled Archaeology of the Future" with a discussion, among other things, of Poe's "Mellonta Tauta":  http://www.locusmag.com/Perspectives/2009/08/gary-westfahl-addled-archaeology-of.html

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The name of Isaac Asimov came up earlier in this discussion.  On the Edgar Allan Poe Society of Baltimore's website is a commentary by one Jack Wages:  http://www.eapoe.org/pstudies/PS1970/P1973109.HTM  It addresses a bit of Asimov's debt to Poe.

I haven't read the Asimov works Wages talks about, but I have read some of Asimov's Black Widower mysteries which are very much like Poe's "The Sphinx".  A group of men sit in a comfortable sitting.  One recounts a strange happening -- often not of a criminal nature but some bizarre natural or seemingly supernatural happening -- and somebody solves it without leaving the room.  I suspect Asimov wasn't the first to do this sort of thing -- though he may have added a scientific elment not there before.

As to phrenology, I think Moby Dick is full of allusions to it.  The practice had a very long life.  Some years ago I was phrenologically examined by the Psychograph, a machine of 1,954 parts invented in 1905 and built in 1934.  (Picture of the machine at http://www.museumofquackery.com/devices/psycogrf.htm)

I've seen reference to a book on phrenology in American culture:  John B. Davies' Phrenology Fad and Science.  However, I have no idea what it's coverage of phrenology in American literature is.


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I agree 100% that creating detective stories and creating (at least some version of) modern science fiction seems almost fated to have come from the same mind. Poe as a careful, rational "craftsman" of literature is an important point that I often make to Poe detractors (and I loop into that category people who want to believe all his works are reflection of his personal madness). Even if you don't believe everything he says in "The Philosophy of Composition," he certainly makes a convincing argument that proves at least the purpose of "The Raven," which he certainly met.

I also agree with your reading of "The Tell-Tale Heart" in particular. I think Poe is often constructing and deconstructing "rationalization" in varying degrees. As an analytical mind himself, he wants to force us into questioning our own definitions of rationality - and make us see other versions of it for comparison.

As far as phrenology: I was recently meeting with someone at a medical school who showed me some of their collection of 19th century medical memorabilia, including human skulls. We discussed the influence phrenology had on the culture - including medicine - and just how prevalent it was. Even people that would completely disagree with the arguments of phrenology would still often use phrenological terms. How many author biographical sketches make sure to note the subject's brow or temple, for example? And, yes, Walt Whitman in particular was a huge proponent of phrenology. I think an interesting book (if anyone is looking for a project!) would be on the 19th century's interest in phrenology, cross culturally.

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Thanks for the last post, Midnight.  It forces me to sharpen my thinking on a couple of points.

First, how could I forget phrenology?  (I've even had the privilege of being phrenologically analyzed!)  It shows up a lot in 19th century American literature.  Poe has it in some of his works.  I think some Whitman poems have allusions to it.  Twain wrote a debunking piece on it.  In fact, phrenology isn't totally a pseudoscience.  We now know there are localized areas of function in the brain.  It's just that the locations aren't where the phrenologists thought, the functions aren't divided the same way, and you can't spot the functions via skull bumps.

You make a good point about Poe's attitude toward phrenology's validity being, literarily speaking, irrelevant.  He knew his audience was interested in it, may have thought it a science, and might regard phrenology as being a rational indicator of character and capacity.  This is no different than a modern science fiction writer having aliens show up in a flying saucer.  A lot of science fiction writers have used that premise at one time or another, but, in their personal life, they aren't believers in UFOs as alien spaceships.  The UFO can be a fantastical conceit that elaborate extrapolations are made from.  However, I don't recall Poe ever using phrenology the same way, as a starting premise, "one impossible thing" he would carefully, realistically extrapolate a story from.

As to literary genre, maybe we might want to consider an imperfect analogy:  biologists trying to define what is a separate species and when it evolved from predecessors.  At some point, sometimes surprisingly arbitrary, you have to retroactively draw a line and say here is where a new species started.  And I think, if you're talking the history of science fiction, you can make a defensible case for Poe's work starting the genre.  And I don't think it's at all arguable that, if Poe didn't write science fiction, he contributed some literary genes to it.  For instance, it has been noted that "The Masque of the Red Death" inspired far future stories of decadence.

And I don't think it's at all coincidental that Poe stands at the beginning of two modern genres:  science fiction and mysteries.  The appeal of these stories to the reader can be similar.  Many science fiction stories are constructed as mysteries, but the mystery to be solved is one of the natural world or of history, not of crime necessarily.  Thus, one can build both types of story the same way:  start with an effect, the solution of the mystery, and then work backwards as to the clues that will be supplied to the reader.  And there is a fair number of crossover readers of these two genres.  Since the 1950s, they have been fruitfully combined on occasion.  (Isaac Asimov was actually a pioneer here.)  When you look at how Poe constructed his Auguste Dupin stories or how he claimed to have calculated the composition of "The Raven" backwards from his intended effect, its not at all surprising he pioneered both genres.  His mind was uniquely suited to constructing stories that way whether he developed the method because of his aesthetic theories or he rationalized his theories to account for the type of stories his brain produced.

And, in a way, Poe's suspension of rationality in "The Tell-tale Heart" or "The Cask of Amontillado" makes those stories more powerful.  What do I mean?  In the first tale, we know the narrator is mad however carefully he plots his crime.  Rational planning clashes with irrational motive.  You can say the story is a study of madness and character but that's a way of also saying it's about suspended rationality.  In "Cask", Poe has ommitted describing exactly what Fortunato has done.  Sure, that's because it's irrelevant what he's done.  This is a story about executing revenge.  But Poe's ommission of Fortunato's sins isn't just streamlining.  It's also ommitting a key detail virtually every other author would have included prior to Poe.  If the revenge story is a logical chain of described crime, suffering victim, plotted revenge, and executed revenge, Poe has left out the first part of the chain.

Maybe we should think of Poe as a writer who carefully considers the artistic uses -- both inclusion and strategic exclusion -- that rationality and its supporting narration of details can be put to.  Birthing two modern genres may just be part of a larger game Poe played. 

Perhaps Poe, when writing his more dream like pieces, didn't imagine his stories in full form.  Maybe the dreams were shaped by carving away rational bits in a quite deliberate way.  In other words, Poe's genius wasn't odd visions; it was turning reality into odd visions by manipulating the language and expectations of rationality. 

Poe as a calculating artist, a literary engineer and not a literary shaman channeling spirits shows up in "Ullalume".  It's a poem written, after all, as an elocution exercise.  His humor pieces point to a rational writer, not a channeler of dreams, since the humor relies on puns and carefully chosen names.  In fact, humor also seems a pretty calculating, however successful it is, literary exercise.  You have to set jokes up, build entire stories around punchlines rather than just meander.

At least, that's my half-baked thoughts on Poe today.



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Reynolds, thank you for the thorough and fascinating response.

It's hard to say that a genre creation requires a sort of self-awareness to be recognized as creation. We tend to assign definitions well after the fact - including the beginnings and endings of whole literary movements. How would anyone know when they are right in the thick of it?

It's worth delving more into phrenology and mesmerism a bit. The question is, did Poe believe them? Certainly, he makes use of them in his fiction. There's even a great quote Poe has about phrenology being some day proving unequivocally true (I don't have the quote offhand). I argue, however, that Poe was only utilizing the pseudosciences, taking advantage of their popular appeal in order to read a popular audience. If that's the case, his use of them in fiction does not prove that he was a believer - in fact, his stance on the veracity of phrenology and mesmerism is, perhaps, irrelevant.

Then again, both were so heavily ingrained in society... Mesmerism was part of a larger spiritualist movement that culminates in the public spectacle that is the Fox sisters (who included among their clients William Cullen Bryant, James Fenimore Cooper, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, and Rufus Wilmot Griswold). Phrenology, I think, was based on plausibility, rather than wholesale belief. I think there were certain aspects of physical features that were just assumed to have relevance to personality, even if "old wives' tales" or the like.

I think a book on phrenology in the 19th century should be written!

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Midnight, you're touching on things critics of science fiction argue about to this day:  what is it, when did it start, and what should it try to be doing.

Theories of science fiction identity:  it's an outgrowth of the Gothic (Aldiss' theory), it's myths for a technological age, and its rationalized fantasy.  I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of.  I'm a rationalized fantasy guy myself in terms of definition.

When did it start?  You've got imperial literary claims all the way back to Plato's RepublicFrankenstein has a good claim.  Indeed, in one of Shelley's introductions, there's a good description of the value of science fiction as art:  it allows you to selectively distort aspects of reality to make a point, observation, or run a thought experiment.  However, I don't buy that novel as science fiction's beginning.  I'm sympathetic to Poe's "Mellonta Taunta" as being the first work of science fiction, but I'm not even fully convinced there.  It's a literary genre; genre is an invitation to form, and the awareness of a new form, a new mode of storytelling, didn't emerge until later -- about the time of Verne and Wells.  Of course, the problem with my view is that removes a new literary mutation from the identity of the new literary species, the new genre.  Thus, Poe's "Murder in the Rue Morgue" starts the detective story, but awareness of a new form comes later so Poe, by those lights, didn't write detective stories.

Should science fiction be didactic?  That's argued to this day.  I buy James Gunn's arguments that utopian works and satires, particularly ones with fantastic elements like Gulliver's Travels, are predecessors to science fiction.  Obviously, they have didactic elements.  But fantastic voyages and traveler's tales were also proto-science fiction, and they often are pure escapism.

The notion that science fiction is supposed to be good for something, teach something, is prevalent.  Genre science fiction, in the commercial sense, was founded by Hugo Gernsback's Amazing Stories.  What he meant by science fiction he represented by Verne, Wells, and Poe (the ability to reprint them without royalty payments was also a factor).  Gernsback didn't have a political axe to grind, but he did think science fiction could foster a knowledge and interest in science and technology.  I don't know how much value he thought Poe had in that regard though. 

While there is one crowd that sees nothing wrong with pure escapism, others think science fiction should advance a political agenda or warn of future problems.  Literary manifestos for science fiction often mix in aesthetics.  Thus the cyberpunks of the 1980s and 1990s rebelled against futures they thought too American and too simple.  The Mundanes (who I've only recently encountered so don't know too much about) insist that science fiction should not be a narcotic of escapism but confine itself to plausible technologies and their implications.  In a Poe context, they would adopt his rationalizing but don't share his avoidance of a moral.

A lot of this is debate about what are the constraints science fiction must satisfy to be pleasing?  What are the elements it must avoid?  Thus Gregory Benford argues that writing science fiction without regard to real science is, quoting Robert Frost, like "playing tennis with the net down". 

I'm not sure what Poe would have thought of that, but I think it's plausible he would have agreed.  He spent a lot of time rationalizing his flights of fancy be it Eureka or "Pfall".  (Yes, I know Poe would have said the former was a description of reality, not a "fancy".)  Mesmerism, after all, had an aura of science about it.  (I don't recall if Poe believed in it or not.  Benjamin Franklin and others had already debunked it.)  As to the three "post-mortem dialogues", I'd have to take more time than I have to check on Poe's relation to spiritualism.  (I believe the Fox sisters appeared near the end of Poe's life.) Therefore, he probably conceived of those as fantasies rather than rationalized tales.

After reading Chambers articles, I'm curious now about Poe's influence on Wells.  I don't think Poe had much influence on Wells' themes and concerns, but I think Poe giving him a stylistic model is possible. 


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I think Pym qualifies as science fiction (just as much as it qualifies for nearly every other literary genre out there... the book is just all over the map, quite literally).

I do think sci-fi's slow birth relates a lot to "justifiable" or rationalized narratives. As I say it, adding more science than fiction. I use Frankenstein (1819, I think?) as an example. Shelley does not give any indication of how the monster was created - in fact the text says something like, "I won't bore you with the details as they are too complicated." I think "The Balloon-Hoax" falls into true science fiction because Poe does try to make it believable with exact details.

Looking at it now, it's almost as if Poe had to develop modern science fiction. As the creator of detective mysteries, he knows how to logically link things together. And, as a hoaxer, he knows how to make it all sound plausible. If he hadn't done it, who would have?

I also thought about your point regarding Poe's abhorrance of didacticism. It seems to me that most sci-fi works are making some kind of statement, usually a cautionary one, including earlier works like Frankenstein (in that case, the lesson that playing God or reaching for immortality only ends badly). Many of Isaac Isamov's works (that I'm familiar with) have somewhat preachy messages as well. Is that a required element of today's sci-fi?


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Midnight, I definitely stretched the definition of science fiction to include Pym and "MS. Found in a Bottle".  You could argue that a lot of elements of Poe were incorporated into science fiction from its primary form, the short story, to some of its concepts.  I got out Brian W. Aldiss Billion Year Spree:  The True History of Science Fiction and re-read the chapter on Poe.  (The chapter is titled "A Clear-Sighted, Sickly Literature" which comes from a quote about Poe by the Brothers Goncourt.)  He has a nice line about Poe's relation to science fiction.  Citing Poe and his Gothic forbears, Aldiss calls their work "cathedrals of an earlier age, whose stones were often appropriated for the hastier buildings of later ages."  The point being that Poe's elements didn't start out in the structure of science fiction stories.  For instance, "William Wilson" is about doppelgangers but it never really rationalizes the concept, never justifies with scientific or technological jargon.  However, later science fiction would rationalize the notion with the multiple-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, clones, and matter transmitters and duplicators.

Using a definition of science fiction as "a branch of fantastic literature that rationalizes it's fantastic elements with scientific, pseud0-scientific, technological, or pseudo-technological elements", I think some of Poe's works counts.  "Valdemar", while not one of my favorites, is one.  "Pfall" is one.  It's not one of my favorites either because I've read a fair number of those early "voyage to the moon" stories.  However, it has to be acknowledged that Poe went out of his way to rationalize his wonderous trip.  That's what makes it important.  It inspired Verne to make such efforts in describing his extraordinary voyages.  I have a suspicion, though I'll have to research it, that "The Conversation of Eiros and Charmion" inspired a couple of H. G. Wells works.  I think it probably stands close to the beginning of stories that imagine some apocalypse rationalized by astronomical theories.  Wells wrote one such story called "The Star".  More importantly, I think it may have inspired Wells' In The Days of the Comet -- his wishful thinking novel of social change via cometary gases.

Critic James Gunn argues that "Mellonta Tauta" is the first science fiction story.  It imagines future technology and, just as important, future social and linguistic change, a future quite different from the reader's.  I think it may have also inspired Wells' The Time Machine though, of course, Wells future vistas are much vaster. 

Poe was, of course, something of a hoaxer.  There is a little known thread of 19th century American science fiction that was produced, particularly in San Francisco, as newspaper hoaxes.  However, I can't tell how closely any of the writers were influenced by Poe.

Verne, of course, took up the mantle of Poe in a couple of ways.  As I said, one was carefully rationalizing his technology ala Poe's "Pfall", but I think another important similarity, whether intentional on Verne's part or not, was largely, like Poe, a reluctance to embrace didacticism.  Wells, of course, was both didactic and less scientifically plausible in his stories though I think a Poe influence possible.



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I only recently read the entirety of The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket - previously I had only read the first couple chapters. The novel was unbelievable! I didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I did. I'd probably put it up in my top ten Poe works now, maybe top five!

My personal favorite science-fiction work, which is much more "strictly" sci-fi than Pym, is "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar." Generally, that one is in my top three Poe works.

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Since you asked my favorite -- rather than the one I thought most influential or most innovative or most recognizably science fictional, I'd say "Ms. Found in a Bottle".  Partly that's due to the reflected glory of the story in Clark Ashton Smith's retelling in "The Uncharted Isle".  But I do like the atmosphere of the story.

I also like the The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym though more for the straightforward sea adventure rather than the mysterious ending.



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So what are everyone's favorite Poe science fiction works?

Science! true daughter of Old Time thou art!
Who alterest all things with thy peering eyes.
Why preyest thou thus upon the poet's heart,
Vulture, whose wings are dull realities?
How should he love thee? or deem thee wise?
Who wouldst not leave him in his wandering
To seek for treasure in the jeweled skies,
Albeit he soared with an undaunted wing?
Hast thou not dragged Diana from her car?
And driven the Hamadryad from the wood
To seek a shelter in some happier star?
Has thou not torn the Naiad from her flood,
The Elfin from the green grass, and from me
The summer dream beneath the tamarind tree?


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Here are a couple of pieces on Poe and science fiction from S. J. Chambers who identifies herself as an independent Poe scholar.  She also does stuff for the Baltimore Sun's Read Street blog, but I don't think her name as come up here before.

http://www.strangehorizons.com/2009/20090330/chambers-a.shtml

http://www.darkfantasy.org/fantasy/?p=1388



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